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		linoliverpool
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject: Help on puzzle Sunday 17th July | 
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				Hi All, 
 
 
I am a firm believer in not adding numbers in and "trying" numbers and seeing if they work. 
 
 
I am a fairly new starter at all these puzzles but I am stuck on this one. 
 
 
I have entered a few numbers and can now not logically see any advancement to be made (without the try it and see method). I have put this puzzle in several sudoku solvers and asked suggestions and they all say - no next move can be calculated. 
 
 
How do I go on from here! I have solved the puzzle by trial and error but that isnt the way they should be done. 
 
 
I was going to paste the image in here but havent a URL for it so here is how far I have got 
 
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  6-2 --- 198 
 
-4- -9- -36 
 
3-- -6- --4
 
 
--- -73 -4- 
 
--- 1-6 --- 
 
-8- 25- -1-
 
 
825 -1- -63 
 
937 62- -51 
 
164 --- 9-- | 	  
 
 
please can someone explain how I progress - thanks a lot 
 
Michael!!! | 
			 
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		Blas
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Help on puzzle Sunday 17th July | 
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				Michael
 
 
You're at EXACTLY the same place as I am.  I tried DRAW and it said 3 in row 1, col 4, but I do not understand the logic as to why a 3 is suggested.  Can someone PLEASE help (what about you fiendish Daily Sudoku setters??)
 
 
Cheers
 
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		samgj Site Admin
 
  Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 106 Location: Cambridge
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Help on puzzle Sunday 17th July | 
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				 	  | Blas wrote: | 	 		  Can someone PLEASE help (what about you fiendish Daily Sudoku setters??)
 
---Blas | 	  
 
 
Well, there's only one of me!
 
 
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6-2 --- 198
 
-4- #9* -36
 
3-- #6* --4
 
 
--- $73 -4-
 
--- 1-6 ---
 
-8- 25- -1-
 
 
825 -1- -63
 
937 62- -51
 
164 --- 9-- 
 
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The $ cell must be an 8 or a 9.  The only places in the top middle box that the 1 and 2 can go in are the *-ed cells.  This means that the 8 has to go in one of the #-ed cells, so the $ must be the 9.
 
 
Not sure why the clue for this one isn't the next step -- I guess I'll have to sort that out!
 
 
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		Blas
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:49 am    Post subject: That VERY HARD one | 
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				Brilliant.  It had just finally struck me about the two 12 687 cells.
 
 
Thanks for excellent help and a very good brain work out.
 
 
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		Blas
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Good grief - can I never type?  I meant 12 587...... (ie not 12 687) | 
			 
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