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		Blas
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Friday 18th July | 
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				| Can someone please help me?  Even with the hint from this excellent site (row 1, col 1 = 6), I can't get anywhere and will go mad shortly.  I've never been defeated before and am totally mortified. | 
			 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: VERY HARD puzzle was Sunday 17-Jul not Friday 15-Jul!! | 
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				| Sorry - got the wrong day. | 
			 
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		mike Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: Sunday 17 July | 
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				| I could only do this puzzle by trial and error (either 4 or 9 in the bottom right corner of the middle square - needless to say I tried the wrong option first).  Surely there must be a way to avoid using trial and error though? | 
			 
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		samgj Site Admin
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Friday 18th July | 
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				 	  | Blas wrote: | 	 		  | Can someone please help me?  Even with the hint from this excellent site (row 1, col 1 = 6), I can't get anywhere and will go mad shortly.  I've never been defeated before and am totally mortified. | 	  
 
 
Is this right from the start?
 
 
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. * 2  . . .  1 9 8
 
* 4 .  . 9 .  . 3 6
 
3 . .  . . .  . . 4
 
 
 
. . .  . 7 3  . 4 .
 
. . .  1 . 6  . . .
 
. 8 .  2 5 .  . . .
 
 
 
8 . .  . . .  . . 3
 
9 3 .  . 2 .  . 5 .
 
1 6 4  . . .  9 . .
 
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The options for the top left corner are 567.  But the two *-ed squares both have only 5 and 7 as options, so the top left cell must be the 6.
 
 
Hope this helps
 
 
Sam | 
			 
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				 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: also having trouble | 
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				| with what I have, you could still have a 6 in any of r3c3, r1c5, or r4c1.  meaning that you can't prove even the 6 it gives you as a clue.  I am having the same problem, did anyone prove the puzzle w/out trial and error? | 
			 
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		linoliverpool
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: This may help | 
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				If you have 2 boxes like you do in the top left quadrant like r1c2 and r2c1
 
That only have 2 options (5 & 7) and these are the same for both boxes you know that if one of them is a 5 the other must be a 7.
 
THe box r1c1 could only have had 5, 6 or 7 and you now know the 5 or 7 are taken by the other two boxes, these can no longer be an option in this box which only leaves the number 6. | 
			 
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