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		shoeless
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:35 pm    Post subject: Could use some help | 
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				Anybody see a good next step in this one?
 
 
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| 29   5    17  | 8    4   279   | 3   6     127   |
 
| 234  8    347 | 1    6   237   | 47  9     5     |
 
| 2349 1379 6   | 237  79  5     | 147 8     1247  |
 
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| 8    6    2   | 5    3   147   | 147 147   9     |
 
| 49   79   5   | 6    179 8     | 2   1347  1347  |
 
| 1    379  347 | 47   2   479   | 8   5     6     |
 
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| 5    2    13  | 9    178 1347  | 6   1347  13478 |
 
| 7    4    9   | 23   18  6     | 5   123   138   |
 
| 6    13   8   | 2347 5   12347 | 9   12347 1347  |
 
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		ZeroAssoluto
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Hi shoeless,
 
 
L.C. with number 3 in r23c1 and -3 in r2c3,r3c2
 
Naked Pairs 4,7 in r2c37
 
then
 
A.I.C. in r5c1, 
 
if r5c1=9 then r1c6=9 and no number 9 in r6, so r5c1=4.
 
 
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		shoeless
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Thanks, that helped me get a bit further to here.  I'm thinking I should just move on to another puzzle.    
 
 
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| 29  5   17 | 8    4   279   | 3  6     12    |
 
| 23  8   4  | 1    6   23    | 7  9     5     |
 
| 239 17  6  | 237  79  5     | 14 8     124   |
 
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| 8   6   2  | 5    3   17    | 14 147   9     |
 
| 4   79  5  | 6    179 8     | 2  137   137   |
 
| 1   379 37 | 47   2   479   | 8  5     6     |
 
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| 5   2   13 | 9    178 1347  | 6  1347  13478 |
 
| 7   4   9  | 23   18  6     | 5  123   138   |
 
| 6   13  8  | 2347 5   12347 | 9  12347 1347  |
 
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		ZeroAssoluto
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Hi shoeless,
 
 
A.I.C. in r3c5,
 
if r3c5=7 then r5c5=9 r4c6=1 r4c7=4 r3c7=1 r3c2=7 and too many 7 in row 3
 
so r3c5=9
 
 
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		shoeless
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | ZeroAssoluto wrote: | 	 		  Hi shoeless,
 
 
A.I.C. in r3c5,
 
if r3c5=7 then r5c5=9 r4c6=1 r4c7=4 r3c7=1 r3c2=7 and too many 7 in row 3
 
so r3c5=9
 
 
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Thanks, that broke it free alright.  Out of curiosity, how did you see that?  Is there some sort of dependency pattern that you recognized?
 
 
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		ZeroAssoluto
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				No, no one pattern.
 
It's routine or experience or ...
 
The number 9 is present only twice in the sector, row and column and I look at it for a color or other possibilities.
 
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		WorldO
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:11 am    Post subject:  | 
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				I see now why I missed the Sue de Coq. It was no longer available due to the Naked Triple , which essentially made the same eliminations. Still a nice technique. I needed something similar to Clement's last two steps to solve as well.
 
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